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Agent-Orange Junior Member	posted 12-21-1999 02:34 AM OK BOYS AND GIRLS IVE ABSORBED ALL THE BULLSHIT ON EXTRACTION SOME OF IT IS OK AND SOME OF IT I THINK THEY HAD THEIR HEAD UP THEIR ASS.....SO IM GOING TO GIVE YOU THE MOST SIMPLE NO BULLSHIT METHOD.......YOU GET YOUR PILLS..WHATEVER BRAND YOU LIKE 60/60'S SUDAFED,EQUATE WHATEVER PLEASES YOU HAPPY ASS...YOU PUT THEM IN A SEALABLE CONTAINER. NEXT..YOU ADD A LITTLE (DENATURED ALCOHOL)JUST A LITTLE DONT DROWNED THEM WET THEM NICELY USE GOOD JUDGEMENT BEST ADVISE...NEXT PUT LID ON SHAKE,SWIRL,SLOSH JUST MAKE THEM DISSOLVE THATS THE WHOLE FUCKIN POINT...NEXT FILTER THE LIQUID NOW IN THE CONTAINER...(I ALWAYS FILTER 2-3 TIMES) NOW THE SOLUTION THAT HAS BEEN FILTERED POUR IN A JAR,BOWL,DISH WHATEVER YOUR HAPPY ASS CHOOSES...NOW YOU CAN HIT THE SOLUTION WITH A HAIR DRYER IF CANT WAIT A LITTLE WHILE OR LEAVE THE SOLUTION ALONE AND IT WILL EVAPORATE PRETTY QUICKLY(REMEMBER IT IS ALCOHOL EVAPORATES FAST!!) YOU WILL HAVE WHAT YOU WANT IN THE DISH AFTER IT EVAPORATES (THAT THE EPHEDRINE BOYS AND GIRLS!!!) ......FUCK ANY TOLULENE METHOD ON EXTRACTION PEOPLE ITS SIMPLE KEEP IT THAT WAY!!!!!!! YOUR YIELD "IF" YOU HAVE A GOOD SYNTHESIS WILL BE 70%-90% YES THAT GOOD SHOULDNT BE SUPRISING I HOPE THIS HELPS. KEEP IT SIMPLE!
pebble Member	posted 12-21-1999 02:57 AM Yea, we must be thinking alike. I just posted my method on the topic, "Name that Gak" It's easy. I have to agree, forget all the other crap. I wonder what trouble one goes through to cook the stuff, I've read cooking for hours on end and crap. Where do people learn this crap and pick this up from. I'm no chemist or expert, I just know how to do it. I have asked questions when I first got hear, because a lot was new. I have no knowledge of the Nazi cold cook, but have done some, even in small portions, like a bump, that had me hitting the walls. Now, I've been dreaming again so I thought I would waste some energy, but yes forget all the other crap. Pill extractions don't have to go through extractions that use of this textbook extraction, high dollar equipment. Now, no offence to any chemist. It will work. Pebble
Wizard X Moderator	posted 12-21-1999 03:07 AM Agent-Orange : WRITE IN lower case please. I think you should crush the tabs first, don't you.
Agent-Orange Junior Member	posted 12-21-1999 03:16 AM No need to crush them they dissolve fine on they're own just find no need to grind them at all they are fine bye themselves.
pebble Member	posted 12-21-1999 03:31 AM I just put my pills right in the alcohol also. This works fine for my pills and I can relax while the alcohol does it's work. I have crushed them though if I was in a hurry, if not, I let the alcohol just do it's job. Works the same either way. Pebble
shiznasticus Member	posted 12-21-1999 04:01 AM Pills are not necessarily the same in different areas of the world. Hell, different parts of the country even. I was on the east coast a couple of months ago and found pills-a-plenty that would work with just a water pull (no fillers at all!). Anyway, my point is just 'cause something works for you doesn't mean it will work for everyone else. What about the pill glue? I thought a water pull was necessary to get rid of this? I could be wrong though. shiz
Agent-Orange Junior Member	posted 12-21-1999 04:06 AM Yes pills are different around the world im sure they are all i can tell you if ya dont have a pill of choice is to get pills that dont have the carnuba wax coating this is the cause of alot of people's problem with the gooey shit they get left wit.....I know other reason also cause this(fillers) but that is all the advice i can give to you on extractation.....GOOD LUCK IT WORKS!
Lythande Member	posted 12-21-1999 04:14 AM A-O, pebble, if that's all you do, I guarantee that your going to have more than just ephedrine there. But, since y'all know more than everyone else here, do whatever floats your boat.
Xaja Member	posted 12-21-1999 04:28 AM It also depends on what ya gonna do with it. Some rxns are more forgiving than others. In some small amounts of impurities will fuck things up. But some people can only get access to pills filled w/ shit. So a/b extraction is best. SWIM got 130-140% yields w/ just solvent extraction. Figure that out.But then acetone did clean that up a lot. But SWIM prefers a/b cause SWIM gets good results, and with right equipment it's not that hard. Just time consuming. But each to their own.
CHEMMAN Member	posted 12-21-1999 04:32 AM Aslong as its non toxic ,then the manufacturers can put it in .If the alcohol thing works for you then I can assure you that it wont on Warner Lamberts latest.Imagine being left with a piece of rubber after your alcohol method. I am well aware of your method and used to use it.It now faILS.It fails because they have a little reaction built into the pill that only needs a little heat to set it off. As Shiz says the pills you use are not the pills everybody uses.You are very naive thinking that what you do is the answer to all pill problems. I know a little about chemistry .How much do you know??????
pebble Member	posted 12-21-1999 04:33 AM Look, Lytheande or anyone else. Not trying to be mean. This is just the basic jest of it and it makes great meth. Now, did you hear that, IT MAKES GREAT METH. I use 5 coffee filters at a time instead of two or three and filter two or three times, but that might be better. No it all, no. There's much I do not know, but how to extract pills the easy way, yes, I do no. Any new bees this is one of the easiest ways to do pill extractions that I know of. Other long drawn out ways or for people that do a whole lot of work and waste a lot of effort and energy. Why I've even seen pill extractions that took as long as the entire meth making process. What foolishness. Pebble Pebble
Agent-Orange Junior Member	posted 12-21-1999 04:37 AM Change your fuckin pills then dont bitch about you ball of rubber thats your fuckin problem my head is packed...lol now this was to help out with some of the beginners alot of old school people use this sorry for you change pills but dont bitch if it dont work then fix yo ass!!
pebble Member	posted 12-21-1999 04:41 AM Oh and yes, "To each his own" Some pills may need to be tweaked with, but I don't give a shit if your a fucking Chemist with a Dr, in front of your name, for most people this will work, besides this was meant for those who had access to the pills I am describing above. Many peole don't know how to do a pill extraction and maybe this will help all the people who mess with pills with the wax and shit. When added blockers are added in than the good ole' chemistry boys can figure it all out for us dumbasses. Hell, who do you think does anyway. Do you think a cook with no knowledge just said hey let's put iodine with P-fed and us R.P. or hypo and we'll make meth, NO. I like chemistry, even though I hardly no any. Not being critical, but ever comment doesn't need some smartass telling how it will or will not work unless they are really trying to be helpful and not a know it all. What is your point, to help or to be a smartass? Pebble
CHEMMAN Member	posted 12-21-1999 04:42 AM Pebble It used to work .I know a lot about extraction methods.THEY HAVE A NEW ACE UP THERE SLEEVE.It dont work no more.Alot of people are going to be out of comission.No Shit.Use acetone,methanol or water you wont beat these babies,and I have made a few batches,so you know I am not talking shit!
pebble Member	posted 12-21-1999 05:04 AM Well, O.K. Chemman this is knowledge we can all use. What can you tell the entire hive about this. The pills I have it is obvious that they do not. Now, I was talking with a friend of mine and we had a disscussion about it's about time for the fucking DEA to enfore the drug companies to put more blockers to avoid people from making meth. Now, unless a cooker is a chemist he is fucked until he hear or is taught a new method, but where did it come from? 99% comes from chemist who like to get high. The DEA says no to meth, and rightly so. Look at all the dumb mother fuckers who get wig out and do crazy shit. Thease are dumb mother fuckers who give meth a very bad name because these mother fuckers can't control themselves. Shit, I can do good meth all the time, stay up several hights and know when I need to stop whith so I won't over tweak. All the dumb shits give us a bad name. Hell, a black ninja running around your yard or peaking his head arouibd the corner to get a quick look at are no reason to feak out, not that this happens a lot, really only mildly. This is about the extant of it. But you got dumb shits that know where it can take them and when the ninja man is coming they think the son of a bitch is real. And besides the media and all sources make meth out to be horrible and show only the ugly side of it to scare everyone into thinking if you do meth that this is where you will wind up and everyone else who does it. But this DEA gellows and the cops on the roads can bust you and they get off work and get drunk with there buddies and alcohol related deaths due to all people killed on the roads and highways is over 60%. This hypocritical motherfuckers. Let the dumbshits get what they diserve. Meth is not for everyone, but why make all suffer, because of others fuckup. Hell, if I took to many asprin I would kill myself. Oh, it's alright for people to kill others on the road driving drunk, but oh, no. People can't do meth. I bet if the government could do it and make it legal and tax it, these motherfuckers who make there walets fats. I had to bitch, about that even though it was rambling that many could give a shit about. I have only been dreaming and felt like writing off some frustrations. Or it could be I'm in a meth rage and about to kill everyone I see. I don't think so. Pebble
placebo Member	posted 12-21-1999 05:26 AM Pebble, no offence but, shut up, you need sleep ------------------ Placebo.... Remember it's all in your mind!
CHEMMAN Member	posted 12-21-1999 05:32 AM Pebble I can relate to your post. When we all know that it is chemistry trained graduates that are working on what blockers that are put in the pills ,isnt it a bit silly when crank cooks with no knowledge of chemistry talk of a one fix pill extraction.IT NO LONGER EXISTS!!@!!.I have now witnessed a monomer to polymer reaction in pills turning to rubber.Lets work on this ,alone because a universal method does not exist! Let the ignorant go out of commision
pebble Member	posted 12-21-1999 05:34 AM I only sleep when the bears do. I stay up the rest of the year doing an ounce of crystal a day. I am 6'7" and weigh only 1 pound. Now, I shutup. I said I was through. I just had to respond. It's was like you telling me to shutup after I had finished. It's like saying wipe your ass before you take a shit. Just being funny. O.K. no more B.S. Pebble
pebble Member	posted 12-21-1999 06:26 AM Yes, if this is happening Chemman. Only those who have knowledge of chemistry. Every cook has either been shown how to cook or someone read something here and had enough smarts to figure it out, wheather they got it the first time or not. In the early eighties, the DEA got their way. People got around it. There has always been something that the DEA requires of Chemical retailers. Restrictions, regulations, getting onto the CO. that sell cold products with Pseudoephedrine in order to control the manufacture of Methamphetamine. Now, many will be screwed and if this is happening as you say. If it is a new blocker than there will be a deadline set for all Co.s' that sell Pseudoephedrine. Now, will meth production slow? Yes, by individuals' who aquire their pills in this fashion. However, will the war on drugs ever stop. No. Acid is not as popular today as it once was, PCP is not and there are others. But, it appears that Coke, Meth and drugs that make people speed will be around for a long time. Why? I can't explain it in detail, I'm just a pretty good judge of these things. Now, where does the clandestine cook fall into play? Many will be screwed, some will learn very quickly. But in the world in which we live. How many cookers are chemist that cook. I'm sure the majority is low except for those in college who have learned a few things and now would like to try it for a period of time. They've done meth and hey, now their major can give them the knowledge to do what they never thought possible. But, how many will turn into regular cooks for the rest of their life? Probably the minority. So, who will break the spell of these companies who employ chemists' who do nothing but spend their days doing nothing but coming up with ways to prevent drug addicts from taking their products and making meth? The answer is simple. CHEMISTS!!! That's right, chemist who have knowledge of how to get around this. Chemist who like to get high, who will eventually pass their spellbreaking secerts on to others, who will in turn pass it on to others, and I think you get the idea. Yep, meth reaching a peak amomg users and cookers and...here we go again. Now, let's figure it out pass the knowledge along and do it as long as we can before Pseudoephedrine is replaced or outlawed. Let's hope not though, Pseudoephedrine is a big seller and the Co. might tell the DEA where to go and fight for it's life, but allow bullcrap as this. The solution is to begin now, chemist who are on this board who are in the know, not college kids who had a class and now or experts or think they are, but people who know, who can break the spell can help right now. Now, if you do take a course and think you can do, than please do. I've jsut seen a lot of this here; nothing more than showing what you know and not telling anyone anything that means anything except that you know how glucose is supposed to look. Knowledge is power and all this new blocker is, is nothing more than a pain, that causes people to go through bullcrap tp dp something their going to do anyway. O.K. Chemmann, worlock, Rhodium, etc. I know that you guys will want to help. Pebble
Xaja Member	posted 12-21-1999 06:34 AM Wow, this threads getting waaay too serious. Where's Android when you need him?
randolph carter Member	posted 12-21-1999 09:04 AM ok.... tooooo serious eh...... not really.... here's a coupla Xtraction that DO work for researchers on europa... tried and true.... even with binders and goo...... Check my math on this. The regular sudafed reds have 30mg per pill. In the 96 pack then one would have 2.9 grams of pfed HCl. An A/B extraction would give you the pfed base so if everything was perfect, you'd get 2.4 grams of the base. So two packs of 96 would at max give you 4.8 grams. So...... Notme took two packs and dumped them in 150ml dH2O and stirred until the pills fell apart and then added 3 drops of driveway cleaner (31% HCL) and stirred and additional 30 minutes. This was filtered through two coffee filters with vacuum (didn't want to wait days for gravity filtering). The filter, flask and everything in sight was rinsed with dH20 and combined with the filtered water to make sure the pfed wasn't lost in the few drops clinging to everything. Next the water (now around 175 ml) was heated to 100C and the wax and other stuff came out of solution and floated to the top. This was filtered out (gravity this time) and again the rinse to make sure Notme wasn't leaving behind the good stuff. Using NaOH the ph was raised above 11 and 100ml toluene was added. This solution was shaken HARD. About 1 teaspoon of salt was added and the solution shaken hard again. Poured the entire mess into a sep funnel and separated. There was a slight red tint to the toluene so it was washed 1 time with an equal volume of clean water. This left very slightly cloudy toluene. The toluene was evaporated and it left behind 3.5 grams of pfed base, a yield of 70% This exact procedure was repeated for generic pfed, the long acting sudafed tablets and some of those little white sudafed tablets. All of them had about the same yield. If you have a vacuum filter this whole procedure takes about 40 minutes (not counting evaporation time) and always yields good stuff. If you're a perfectionist, redissolve the pfed in toluene and gas with HCl to crystalize the pfed HCl. This procedure will work every time reliably and you can refine your technique to get around 85%. the Lone Rangers extraction method. 1. Drop 100 red pills in 100-200 ml H2O. Amount not critical. No need to "pre treat" them. I usually magnetically stir overnight, but this is not needed. Just let them sit overnight, and then shake. 2. Pour through a deep funnel that has "angel hair" loosely packed in it. Or I have dreamt of using coffee filters. They are very slow after a while, but I am never in a rush in these dreams! 3. Lower pH to 12 with NaOH (lye) or the like. Saturate the mix with common table salt. 4. I then pour in an equal volume of toluene, and shake it up a lot. 5. Pour the mix through another coffee filter (takes 12 hours), or more angel hair (1 hour). A nice separated solution appears, as this breaks the emulsion. 6. Pour of the toluene. In my dreams I usually stop drying my hair with my wife's hair dryer, and set it up to dry the toluene. 7. Repeat steps 4-6 3X. If you are not happy with the yield, go a fourth time. 8. I use the free base from the toluene in any further processing. But HCl gas will make the free base into the salt, which is easily collected over a buchner funnel (with vacuum, of course). This would be good if you need to conserve toluene, but it is 7$/gallon at Ace Hardware, so why not evaporate it and weigh the product as you collect it? just another rehash ... but they DO WORK!!!! fyi ... ------------------ randolph carter... the perennial dream questor... "remember, love is real(but so are gunz and ammo...), not fade-away, so, pass some on today...'cause it's the end of the world as we know it and i feel FINE!!!..."
SpinDoctor Member	posted 12-21-1999 10:33 AM Yepp, I`ve gotta go with randolph carter and the Lone Ranger on this one, there right on........!!! With 1 simple and frugel exception, and only cause I try to conserve solvent as much as possible. Try it this way: Instead of vapping your solvent to gett the freebase, (good buy solvent)simply gass your toluene, the snow will fly and filter(separate) the Xtals from solvent.... Everything at this point will be non-polar/or polar(toluene=non, and Xtals hcl/polar=water soluble.... All your doing here is just savin alot of precious solvent, and getting a better product as well..... Hope this helps....!!! Spinnnnnn.............
randolph carter Member	posted 12-21-1999 01:26 PM or distill the solvent offn yer "base" xtals... ifn ya prefer... ------------------ randolph carter... the perennial dream questor... "remember, love is real(but so are gunz and ammo...), not fade-away, so, pass some on today...'cause it's the end of the world as we know it and i feel FINE!!!..."
SpinDoctor Member	posted 12-21-1999 01:38 PM Right on randolph...........
cactus Member	posted 12-21-1999 04:32 PM There is a lot of undesirable inactive ingredients in every kind of pill that I have worked with. I only made bad mistake in acquiring witch someone gave me red coated ones I would never try that again. I certainly not waste the thought of them. I made other mistakes with the white pills and have corrected procedures. Most of the corrections where helped with hive members. The best most recent thing that made a great break through is using Worlock's acetone boiling. It might have been Dwarfer's ideal of using acetone. I don't have time to place the link here but it was Filter Flask I believe, I don't have my 4 inch binder that is full of sheets that contain hive messages protected in plastic protectors. I am lucky that the cops didn't find it because of there stupidity during the theft of my glassware and legal chemicals. Also they kidnapped me for 12 hours while I was locked up in the back seat of a car setting in the South Texas sun with only the front windows lowered and the only fresh air I could get was one inch gap around the plexiglass barrier in front of me. I could only live by laying in the seat with my head hunched over struggling to get air. Anyway I use three solvents now including refrigeration techniques. The three are water, methanol, and acetone. Special considerations should be followed when using heating instruments. I recommend checking flashpoints. I haven't but I may be lucky and prepared to have tools to put out a fire standing near. I am concerned about ventilation and those sparks that are omitted from electric hot plates. I never had a fire. I think mine is sealed off pretty good. I am going to start using condenser to evaporate to prevent product and solvent loss. I use sand filterisation. Forget paper filters. ------------------ Live With Freedom
pebble Member	posted 12-21-1999 05:21 PM If you have acess to other pills, than the fact that this is even taking place is bullcrap. If one lives where certain pills are not avalible than maybe this is the way. I don't know because I've never ran into this problem, if I do than I will deal with it and use other methods. As for all the others that can get pills without this rubber crap, a alcohol pull is the simplest way to go. Some of these post are for this rubber pill... MAYBE? I'm sure they would work with the other pills, but why waste the time. Keep it simple and leave all the other crap to the egos'. Pebble
bennie Member	posted 12-21-1999 07:27 PM I can understand what you are saying but it would be good to know HOW to extract the "rubber" pills since it may just be a matter of time before all the pills are formulated this way. Also, they are 'leaning on the ephedra importing cos. now so that may be difficult to get in the future (at least at $15 per kilo- the pills are ridiculous $ per useable feedstock)
Hematite Member	posted 12-21-1999 07:42 PM You people busily advising Chemman on changing pill brands or keeping extraction simple should pull your fucking heads in. Chemman and many others have worked through several additives that present problems and the info is all here in the posts that you call bullshit and wasting time. As for extracting with denatured alcohol and evaporating to yield product......sure, sounds awesome, why didn't anyoneelse think of this. We were doing this 12months ago and moved on through necessity, I'm personally happy for you and your lovely end product if it's that easy for you to extract from pills. If you are sick of reading about all us other losers and our troubles, then perhaps the hive is not the place for you and you should simply fuck off somewhere more suited to your elite presences. ------------------ Regards,Hematite.
pebble Member	posted 12-21-1999 08:55 PM O.K. here we go again. bennie, I agree that we should be in the know in case all the pills begin to have this binder. I'm glad this is posted here. All we are saying is that if you can get pills without the rubber crap, which most can, than do so. A simple alcohol pull will do the trick. Now, Hematite, you are not listening or reading between the lines. If no rubber, than don't waste time with bullcrap. So, either you have pills with the rubber and need to go a different route, or you are extracting pills with other outlandish methods. The point is to help those who believe that all this crap is needed in order to do a good pill extraction. Well, I get very good Meth. If the shoe fits wear it. Also, as you already have before, you assumed what you could not see. Read the post I agree with Chemman. Learn the way around this rubber crap, but in the meantime, let's do the simple way. Now, if you just like to do extra work than so be it. Pebble

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